067 Two Aquarians Enter a Zoom: Astrology, Human Design, and Business with Jemira Payne
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Today's episode is all about embracing authenticity in every aspect of our lives, especially in the world of business. Joining me is the incredible Jemira Payne, a holistic operations advisor dedicated to helping soul-driven industry innovators build successful, authentic businesses. Jemira's approach integrates astrology and human design to understand individuals as whole systems, unlocking their true potential. Get ready for a deep dive into authenticity, astrology, human design, and more as we explore how to show up authentically in business and relationships.
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All right. Hi, everybody. Welcome to another episode of money. Through ease. I'm your host, Regan Bashara. And today I have Jemira Payne. She is a holistic operations advisor helping soul driven industry innovators build successful authentic businesses with over a decade of marketing operations experience blended with astrology and human.
00:01:26 Regan Bashara
Design jira. Sorry, Jemira empowers ambitious dreamers.
00:01:30 Regan Bashara
To tap into their unique strengths, align with their destined paths, and build a toolbox of holistic practices to manage success. You can find her on YouTube and LinkedIn at Jemira Payne to learn more. Welcome to money through Ease Jemira, the long-awaited episode I've been trying to get
00:01:50 Regan Bashara
Jemira on the podcast, and we were literally just talking about. So she's very hard to nail.
00:01:57 Jemira Payne
Yes, classic Aquarius. Very aloof, very elusive hidden but that.
00:02:03 Regan Bashara
Double Aquarius too.
00:02:04 Jemira Payne
Is my.
00:02:06 Jemira Payne
I'm a lot of Aquarius. I'm an Aquarius sun moon mercury Saturn.
00:02:12 Jemira Payne
A lot of Aquarius, yeah, but that is my goal for 2024 is to be more visible and to.
00:02:19 Jemira Payne
He got out of the shadows. Sometimes I'll get I'll say a little astrology right away. But like Aquarius's sister sign is Leo and Leo is the son. I mean, they're the center of attention. So I'm like, OK.
00:02:31 Jemira Payne
Got to borrow some of my sister sign energy to like, yeah.
00:02:36 Jemira Payne
More present but.
00:02:37 Regan Bashara
And we just had a full moon in Leo, which was very intense. I almost pulled my hamstring for some stupid reason, so. Ohh.
00:02:45 Speaker 3
I was trying to do like a workout and.
00:02:47 Regan Bashara
It just my body was like, wait a.
00:02:49 Jemira Payne
Minute. That is so. I mean, full moons are notorious. I had once heard that, like, more like a lot of people go to the hospital.
00:02:57 Regan Bashara
Like, yeah, bumping on a full moon.
00:02:58 Regan Bashara
The ER department.
00:03:01 Jemira Payne
I know.
00:03:02 Jemira Payne
I I find that so fascinating fun facts about me, I turned 13. Ohh, wait on Friday the 13th. That wasn't a fun fact cause I had nothing to do with the full moon. So never mind. I was about to say there was a full moon.
00:03:12 Regan Bashara
But still cool.
00:03:13 Jemira Payne
That night, but that is.
00:03:14 Regan Bashara
15 on Friday the 13th.
00:03:15 Jemira Payne
Cool, but I don't know why isn't.
00:03:18 Regan Bashara
That, like your golden birthday or something.
00:03:20 Jemira Payne
That is my golden birthday. I love that.
00:03:22 Jemira Payne
Brought that up and had nothing to do with the full moon, but here we are.
00:03:26 Speaker 3
You know what?
00:03:26 Regan Bashara
That reminded me of this one thing that's.
00:03:29 Jemira Payne
Yeah, and completely unrelated.
00:03:32 Regan Bashara
I love that. OK. So tell us. You're obviously an astrologist. Or do you identify as an astrologist? I know you do human design too.
00:03:40 Jemira Payne
That's a great question. What do I identify as? I really do feel like I have somewhat of a crisis. I think I really tailor what how I describe myself for the audience. So if I know someone's kind of into.
00:03:53 Jemira Payne
This stuff I'll usually say like I do human design cuz I'm like, OK, we all know astrology if I'm meeting them for at first, I'll be like I'm an astrologer cuz it's usually a good opening to, like talking about this.
00:04:05 Jemira Payne
And then if it's someone who I just feel does not care, I just say I'm a marketing strategist. So it really. Yeah.
00:04:12 Regan Bashara
Just holding up that mirror for people like truly, you reflected.
00:04:13 Jemira Payne
Because I'm all.
00:04:18 Jemira Payne
Yeah. How is this conversation going to go? But I mean astrologically, I have a Gemini 10th house. Your 10th house is your reputation. Geminis can be very adaptive. Very all over. It's very classic for Gemini. Gemini 10th houses to have like 7 different businesses that have nothing to do.
00:04:32 Jemira Payne
With each other.
00:04:33 Jemira Payne
So I'm pretty comfortable being like I'm whatever this conversation needs me to be right at this moment.
00:04:39 Regan Bashara
Yeah, that's awesome.
00:04:40 Jemira Payne
Yeah. And sometimes I throw and then I'm a tarot reader, so you really never know what you're gonna get.
00:04:44 Regan Bashara
Just sprinkle that on top under the conversation you were actually the first person that I guess, like I want to say exposed, but that's not the right word. Like you were my first interaction with the human design system. I'd never heard of it before, and then I was like, what is she talking about? Apparently, has maybe something to do with astrology.
00:05:04 Regan Bashara
I've had it a little bit about my astrology, but not a lot, but I've learned a lot from you. Just kind of watching you talk about people's different.
00:05:13 Regan Bashara
Charts and human design and like how all of that inner links together and you were doing like marketing stuff for businesses and helping them be more authentic with that. But you're kind of going in a different direction this year. Do you wanna share with?
00:05:27 Jemira Payne
Us what? That's about. Yeah, yeah.
00:05:29 Jemira Payne
What a great question.
00:05:32 Regan Bashara
What a great.
00:05:33 Regan Bashara
On my Sean Evans level.
00:05:34 Jemira Payne
Truly, we're talking about, I should have bought. I got some tapatio in the kitchen.
00:05:40 Jemira Payne
Bring the wings.
00:05:42 Jemira Payne
We're going to talk about second house and values, but as a general 2nd house storytelling questioning, I love it curiosity.
00:05:50 Jemira Payne
Yeah. So I spent a majority of my career doing marketing operations and like classic e-mail marketings, not social media, mostly e-mail marketing and some website stuff. And I don't know when I jumped into entrepreneurship.
00:06:03 Jemira Payne
I was like, well, that's an easy transition. I'll just do it corporate from corporate to individuals. So I did that for a while, but I.
00:06:11 Jemira Payne
Just kept coming up to this crossroads of like, OK, you love talking about astrology and human design more than you love talking about, just strictly marketing. So this year, I really am diving more into that, cuz I really think the more I work with people, especially in the context of astrology and human design, and I'll say just briefly, astrology is really good.
00:06:31 Jemira Payne
I or I like to use it as like.
00:06:34 Jemira Payne
Traits of like themes and cycles that are happening in your life and I like to use human design as like how to manage your personal energy. I think they answer both of those questions both individually and you can flip flop them. That's just how I personally like to use.
00:06:47 Jemira Payne
Them and they just realize, like the more I work with people in those areas, the marketing honestly.
00:06:53 Jemira Payne
Comes second because again, if it's authentic marketing to you, I can't. Who cares what an average open rate for your industry is like? Let's talk about what you're actually. If what you're saying is that true to who you are and let's.
00:07:04 Jemira Payne
These I like to use the charts more as validation tools. I would say that's like the number one thing people tell me like Oh my gosh, I feel so validated cuz it is crazy to look at this chart and you feel like you feel your biggest wound with your Chiron and you're like you know for instance, mine is fear of being seen. So it is really interesting that I do fall into looseness.
00:07:25 Jemira Payne
I have a chiron cancer in my tenth house so.
00:07:27 Jemira Payne
Of of public identity.
00:07:29 Speaker 3
Wait, that's.
00:07:29 Regan Bashara
So you mine too, I think, right.
00:07:32 Jemira Payne
Yes, you have Chiron and cancer. Oh, there goes my microphone. You you have chronic cancer but.
00:07:38 Jemira Payne
Let me look, yeah.
00:07:39 Regan Bashara
Ohh yeah, it's speaking and being heard. I think yeah anyways.
00:07:44 Jemira Payne
Yes, speaking and oh, oh, yes, yes, yes.
00:07:46 Jemira Payne
Yes, yours is on the bottom of your.
00:07:48 Jemira Payne
Chart now I got I should have.
00:07:51 Speaker 3
I figured you would have.
00:07:53 Jemira Payne
I did, but then I was like I don't.
00:07:55 Jemira Payne
Want to? I don't.
00:07:56 Jemira Payne
Want to get off into?
00:07:57 Jemira Payne
Your table we're already.
00:07:57 Regan Bashara
Tell all the people exactly who I.
00:08:00 Jemira Payne
We're already there. Yes, you do have. Yes, yes, yes, you're a Taurus.
00:08:04 Jemira Payne
Rising cancer in the 3rd House, Chiron. So yours is fear of speaking your truth. Sometimes it can be because cancer is like to feel safe and in their shell, and sometimes for the sake of their family too. I know for my personal.
00:08:23 Jemira Payne
Road or experience with that is really one thing that my family had a lot of belief.
00:08:28 Jemira Payne
Around was marketing is the way you have a career. Marketing is the way you make the money and your 10th house does rule career. So I did tend to fall to my family to be like OK well, this is where my career should be and I fall to my fear of being seen in my aquarian. Strength of being a lobbyist, to be like, OK, let's make it, you know, hard for people to find me and things like that. And now I've gone into such a tangent, but I don't even remember what the.
00:08:50 Jemira Payne
One question was.
00:08:51 Regan Bashara
Me neither. We'll find out on the recording.
00:08:53 Jemira Payne
Oh, oh, yeah. Market. Yes, yes, yes. Marketing, marketing, marketing. Yeah. I just dealing with my own Chiron with my own wounds of falling into what my family thinks I should do. And they support me in this too.
00:09:06 Jemira Payne
But you know, just tradition.
00:09:08 Jemira Payne
Oh, you're going to be an astrologer? Oh, maybe you should work for corporate marketing, cuz that's gonna be a more traditional path to success and things like that. They're still very supportive, but I don't know. I just was like, OK, let's do the marketing second. Let's really work with people and and and I love as a Virgo rising, I love routines and figuring out systems and things like that. And I think your charts.
00:09:28 Jemira Payne
Are a part of your system. I call them systems for a reason like. I think it's just a part of you.
00:09:34 Jemira Payne
Let me nerd out about your church.
00:09:36 Regan Bashara
Of course, I I think people have the tendency. I mean, I know a lot of people, even my husband, like when I tell him, like, oh, I signed up for to have, like, astrology, reading sent to me with the new and full moon cycles and he just like, literally laughs at me but not in, like, a deprecating way. But just like, wait, you really actually believe that?
00:09:55 Regan Bashara
Stuff. But like you said, it's validating and when you're trying to communicate, especially like an offer and trying to sell your services and present.
00:10:03 Regan Bashara
As like a.
00:10:04 Regan Bashara
Expert and a professional you have got to be authentic in your like voice about it. And so when you say that like this kind of stuff is very validating actually it does impact a lot about how you show up and like present yourself as.
00:10:21 Jemira Payne
Yeah, no real I think.
00:10:21 Regan Bashara
I love that.
00:10:23 Jemira Payne
Yeah. No, thank you so much for that feedback. And I I totally know I totally get what you mean about, like laughing about it and not in a deprecating way, but just.
00:10:30 Jemira Payne
Like in such a surprising because.
00:10:32 Regan Bashara
Incredulity. Basically like what this is actually useful for you.
00:10:32 Jemira Payne
It is kind of.
00:10:34 Jemira Payne
Yeah, yeah. It's just full from odd. Yeah. And I do think a lot of people do come into astrology or really any esoteric personality tests. Thing of, like this is truth or this is false. Or I believe in it. And I don't. And I just, I think of it just as data. Like, historically throughout time.
00:10:54 Jemira Payne
We have noticed that people born during Virgo season tend to be analytical.
00:10:58 Jemira Payne
Like you know, do I believe it? I don't know. You have to test it yourself with your own chart. So I get that a lot. Especially from, like libras. I get that a lot from Libra men especially. You believe in astrology.
00:11:08 Speaker 3
Oh well.
00:11:11 Jemira Payne
But, but yeah, it's. I like to think of it more just.
00:11:14 Jemira Payne
Like as a data gathering validation tool. More so than like a belief system. You know what I mean? Because I also think that astrology can support your limiting beliefs, for instance.
00:11:26 Jemira Payne
I have a fear of being seen, so I can be like, Oh well, that's my Chiron. In my 10th house. Like I'm just meant to be this way, but it's like, well, that's my area of growth and stretching like it really just depends on how you look.
00:11:37 Jemira Payne
At it how you.
00:11:37 Jemira Payne
Want to use the data out of big data nerds so as opposed to just letting it keep you limited, you know what?
00:11:44 Jemira Payne
I mean, yeah, I.
00:11:45 Regan Bashara
Think people do tend to use it as kind of like a.
00:11:48 Regan Bashara
Shorthand like. I mean I I love to joke and laugh and I laugh and joke all the time about being in.
00:11:52 Jemira Payne
I do it too.
00:11:54 Jemira Payne
The same, honestly same, yeah.
00:11:57 Speaker 3
We're the little alien invaders.
00:12:00 Regan Bashara
It's like we just like arrived and we're like, what's up?
00:12:05 Jemira Payne
Yeah. No, for real. I totally feel that. Yeah, I'll go like I'm an Aquarius or my partner. He's like a he's a Virgo, son. Capra, I'll be like, oh, you're a Capricorn Rising. So XYZ, I think it's natural for us to, like, wanna put ourselves in like this category. But as long as we remember, like, OK, that's one way to look at it. But also just.
00:12:24 Jemira Payne
Who's questioning your brain? Always questioning like.
00:12:27 Jemira Payne
Is this really?
00:12:27 Jemira Payne
True? Or how can I experiment with this to like see a different side of it?
00:12:31 Regan Bashara
I think it can be very informative if you want to do the deeper work of like examining your personality, but also like all the other tests like any agram and I whatever the Myers Briggs thing, which mine doesn't change, I'm very solidly ISTJ, which is the perfect role for an accountant, apparently. And I'm like, well.
00:12:52 Regan Bashara
Here I am just being perfectly aligned but like all.
00:12:56 Regan Bashara
Of that is made-up like when people want to ascribe more weight.
00:13:00 Regan Bashara
Like say that this is more authentic or accurate than this then astrology or human design. It's like it's all made-up.
00:13:07 Regan Bashara
Like somebody just sat down and like, kind of wrote it out and found enough evidence to support it, and then said cool, that's it. That's the thing. So.
00:13:15 Jemira Payne
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And you got like five people to agree to be like, yeah, I I agree. And then boom, now you got a whole system, you know what I mean?
00:13:23 Regan Bashara
Yeah. And I think our personalities can totally change like over time too, like we're not the same people that we were 10 years.
00:13:29 Jemira Payne
Ago. No. Yeah, definitely. And I mean, of course, I'm gonna astrologically around 30. We do have our saddened turn.
00:13:36 Regan Bashara
Oh yeah.
00:13:38 Jemira Payne
And Saturn is the ruler of rules. It's it's the daddy of the Zodiac. So like daddy's home. And he's like, what have you gotten done in these past 30 years? You have 90 more years or 90. Oh, that's a lot of 70. You've got 70 more years to go, like, get your **** together.
00:13:54 Jemira Payne
Kind of thing.
00:13:55 Jemira Payne
So I agree me and my 20s.
00:13:58 Jemira Payne
If she looked at Jamie, me and my 20s. Oh, she was. She was having a lot of fun, and now my version of fun is going to bed at 8:00 PM.
00:14:07 Regan Bashara
Yeah, I've been in bed before 9:00 PM every day this week. Bed. So like.
00:14:11 Jemira Payne
Yes, I love that rotting.
00:14:14 Regan Bashara
Yeah, I remember on my 30th birthday, like having some **** go down at work and.
00:14:20 Regan Bashara
I just like I just it was so clear in my mind in that moment that like, Oh my God, I've got to change this. Shut up because what the ****? Why am I here doing this? Why am I putting myself through this? Why do I keep choosing this over and over again? It was a very clear.
00:14:35 Regan Bashara
Moment where I was.
00:14:35 Regan Bashara
Like OK, I'm done. I want to change things.
00:14:38 Jemira Payne
Yeah, that frontal lobe development like.
00:14:41 Regan Bashara
Yeah, finally, the full brain is on mine. Oh, my God. We gotta.
00:14:45 Speaker 3
Get out of here. Yeah, for.
00:14:46 Speaker 3
Real yeah.
00:14:48 Jemira Payne
But I had the same thing. Yeah, yeah.
00:14:51 Regan Bashara
No, I was going to say like our business, it's like service providers like we really do show up with our own personalities. So like whether you're following human design, astrology, any igram Myers, Briggs, whatever the **** it is about. Like who? Who you're showing up to, especially in, like, a relationship with another person. And if you're like, B2B or not even B to B, just service.
00:15:11 Regan Bashara
To delay people.
00:15:14 Regan Bashara
You are showing up in a certain personality and like there are other people that are gonna be compatible with you and not. And it's useful to know like when you're not gonna be compatible with.
00:15:21 Speaker 3
That's kind of.
00:15:26 Jemira Payne
Yeah, yeah, I love yeah, cuz it's also hard. I know, at least for myself as a people pleaser, as a recovering.
00:15:34 Jemira Payne
People please, Sir, whatever. I want to call myself. I'm always working on it. It is easy to just. And now I'm having a brain fart cause I totally forgot what you said already.
00:15:44 Regan Bashara
Ohh, just like you have like we have our personalities that we show up.
00:15:48 Regan Bashara
To in a like.
00:15:48 Jemira Payne
Oh yes.
00:15:49 Regan Bashara
Relationship and it it's even different between, like an intimate relationship or a intimate partner or like family or business and friends. Like we're kind of different people in different rooms. Yes, I remember what the aquarians.
00:16:03 Jemira Payne
I remember what I was going to say now.
00:16:05 Jemira Payne
And I also think it's a nice tool because in business your offer is not for everyone. Your business is not for everyone. And I know for myself as a people pleaser that you know or someone who values win, win situations, I have Libra, second house, which I'll go through all the second houses, I have a list. I mean, I'm not like.
00:16:23 Jemira Payne
Trying to move.
00:16:23 Jemira Payne
Us to there or anything. Don't worry. But I tend to be like, well, I can help this person. I can help that person. And as an Aquarius son, the humanitarian, I want everyone to win. I want everyone to feel good. I want everyone to be able to live their life. So I do like using these tools also, as like, you know, you could help everyone, but also these, these charts kind of give you a blueprint.
00:16:26 Regan Bashara
Go for it.
00:16:44 Jemira Payne
To the archetype of the person who might be really attracted to you.
00:16:48 Regan Bashara
Yeah. And you've given me some feedback for my marketing too, like the people that I call in or like the very fiery, like passionate folks that need my like groundedness of like, here's the step by step. You're having a lot of fun over there. Like maybe you need to like.
00:17:07 Regan Bashara
You know, put it, put the data somewhere so we can.
00:17:10 Jemira Payne
Look at it like. Yeah, and not be so emotional about our finances because you, I would guess with your Scorpio 7th house, you probably do attract people who tend to have.
00:17:21 Jemira Payne
Of like.
00:17:22 Jemira Payne
Overwhelming shame with their finances or how they're keeping track of their finances. That's kind of the shadow side of Scorpio is shame or secrecy, I remember.
00:17:31 Jemira Payne
Hearing you once.
00:17:32 Jemira Payne
Talk about like people who have shoe boxes of receipts and don't even look at them, things like that, and they and they love.
00:17:38 Regan Bashara
Just avoid avoid.
00:17:38 Speaker 3
Your yours.
00:17:40 Jemira Payne
Yes, and they love your tour and energy because it's like.
00:17:43 Jemira Payne
Scorpios inside it's internal but Taurus is on the Earth so it's like we gotta bring it out. We.
00:17:48 Jemira Payne
Have to bring it to light and.
00:17:50 Jemira Payne
We can create a practical, stable patient and it's like tourists take their time. They're very steady, you know, they're the the ox or not the ox.
00:18:01 Jemira Payne
Yeah. Yeah. But you know what I mean? And and that can be nice because Scorpio can tend to go from, like, you know, one emotional extreme to the other because they're built to carry the depth of all of the emotions. So it can be a little hard for them to manage. So you're like, OK, let's take it slow. Grab my hand.
00:18:18 Speaker 3
I got you totally. I do tell.
00:18:21 Regan Bashara
Folks that like I'm here to like, hold your hand through the.
00:18:24 Regan Bashara
It's it's. It's gonna be uncomfortable and difficult. Guess what I do uncomfortable. Difficult things too. Like I have my own things that are discomfort for me, just like they do, except with their money. Stuff. I'm just like I gotta fix this. Like it's we got it. It's fine. So yeah, it is a nice complementary relationship that I can build with folks. So like.
00:18:44 Regan Bashara
Having that information is useful to me because then when I like see it and recognize it, I'm like, oh, OK, like I know how to talk to this person. I.
00:18:53 Regan Bashara
Know how to kind of.
00:18:56 Regan Bashara
Make them see themselves. I've seen a lot of stuff talking about, like the hero journey and like helping your client like see their own hero journey lately. And I'm like, oh, like, how do I convey that to somebody that like, you can kind of be the person that saves yourself from this madness that you're living in right now and like.
00:19:12 Jemira Payne
Yes, yes.
00:19:15 Regan Bashara
I can help you get there. So I that's just.
00:19:18 Regan Bashara
I don't know why it's just been coming out.
00:19:20 Regan Bashara
Up a lot and I'm like, OK.
00:19:22 Speaker 3
I hear you.
00:19:22 Jemira Payne
Here. Yeah, I love that. And and and the Scorpio archetype not saying, obviously that your clients have to be Scorpio for anyone listening, just anyone who embodies the art on some.
00:19:29 Regan Bashara
Hmm. So they're like, unfollow. Yeah, I'm not scorpius.
00:19:32 Jemira Payne
Yeah. No, because we all have Scorpio in our charts somewhere. Just someone who embodies that archetype but like.
00:19:39 Jemira Payne
Deep, transformative journeys. That's another thing that Scorpio is really attracted to. So also knowing that like at the end of this, you know, bringing out all the receipts, putting them somewhere, facing your fear, you're gonna be deeply transformed at the end of the experience, that's what scorpions all that architects always looking for is like transforming in some way. So.
00:20:00 Regan Bashara
OK. And that's about marketing like I.
00:20:01 Regan Bashara
Know that you didn't even want to.
00:20:05 Jemira Payne
It's OK wherever the conversation takes us, it's fine.
00:20:09 Regan Bashara
So you're doing.
00:20:12 Regan Bashara
Thing that new things this year, you want to be doing new things. Maybe you have an idea of what that's going to look like or maybe are you just the type of person that's like just gonna go with it and?
00:20:21 Regan Bashara
Like see where I.
00:20:22 Jemira Payne
Kind of end up a little bit. I mean from a human design perspective, if anyone out there knows your human design and you have a profile one in your human design. So I have a 1/3.
00:20:32 Jemira Payne
Regan actually is a 5/1, so you also have a one. There is a level of.
00:20:35 Speaker 3
Have you ever thought?
00:20:37 Jemira Payne
Oh, are you at 2 four? I thought you were 5/1.
00:20:39 Regan Bashara
I think I've got two floor.
00:20:40 Jemira Payne
Regan. You know what I didn't?
00:20:43 Regan Bashara
Many Gen. I.
00:20:45 Jemira Payne
Pull up any charts before this. Now I'm going to look now. I should have. I should have confirmed I was about to say I was about to say problems are all about research and making sure the things that you have are researched and somewhat of a.
00:20:50 Speaker 3
You're like.
00:20:58 Regan Bashara
Oh, I don't, I don't.
00:21:00 Jemira Payne
In search innovation, see, but you have a profile one. I'm pretty positive you are A51 and that one is your second number cuz your second number is one you don't readily identify with as much as your first number. But we're gonna.
00:21:02 Regan Bashara
It depends.
00:21:14 Regan Bashara
I'm an impulse early.
00:21:15
But any.
00:21:18 Regan Bashara
We just got a sweatshirt off at Instagram.
00:21:21 Jemira Payne
That's funny. Watch your watch. Your credit card. Yeah. Really. It was legitimate. Yeah, you're correct. You're correct. You are a cheap bore. I'm thinking of some. Who else? It was a 5/1.
00:21:30 Regan Bashara
OK, I was like uh.
00:21:33 Jemira Payne
I think it might be I have another client whose name starts with an R it's not Regan, but it might be that other client who.
00:21:39 Jemira Payne
Maybe I'm thinking of.
00:21:40 Jemira Payne
Anyway, what I was going to say is research and building a foundation.
00:21:44 Regan Bashara
Right.
00:21:44 Jemira Payne
The new direction that I do.
00:21:46 Jemira Payne
And I do want to go into. I've kind of been off and on researching, I guess for the past few years I've been like.
00:21:52 Jemira Payne
I don't know creating.
00:21:55 Jemira Payne
Content in various ways through YouTube, I even very briefly was a YouTube contractor for a for an agency. It was wild. I really threw myself into this research and so that is like the direction I wanna go. Just more content creation, more live streaming on YouTube, just things like that. That's like, just really push myself up against my own wound of being public and.
00:22:17 Jemira Payne
And visible.
00:22:18 Jemira Payne
So that's why that's OK.
00:22:20 Regan Bashara
Anytime. Like I. No. You're sorry. I'm just agreeing with you. But I think like anytime I've kind of worked with you or you. I mean, not even worked with you. Like I think we just had. Like, I get to know you a call and you had my chart pulled up and you were just like rattling it off. Like you. I've never, I don't know, a lot of people that can look at.
00:22:41 Regan Bashara
Something like that.
00:22:42 Regan Bashara
And immediately just start telling someone about themselves. And I was like, oh.
00:22:47 Speaker 3
My gosh, all of.
00:22:50 Jemira Payne
You for that. That's really fascinating that you. I'm glad that's so interesting that you say that because I am not the most self aware person and sometimes I mean especially with our talents like I feel like a lot of time your natural talent is something that's so easy to use that like like you're like of course everyone can look at this and just instantly know.
00:22:51 Speaker 3
It was resonating.
00:23:10 Jemira Payne
But that I get that a lot. They're like, Oh my God, you're an encyclopedia of this stuff. I do absorb it like a sponge. It isn't. But that's that profile one in human design of.
00:23:11 Speaker 3
Ohh yeah.
00:23:19 Jemira Payne
Being someone who constantly researches like I'm constantly on Google, I have to know the answer or look into it. I'm like banned off of Web MD because.
00:23:20
Right.
00:23:28 Jemira Payne
I've had every illness in the book.
00:23:29 Regan Bashara
Like you know.
00:23:32 Regan Bashara
That's that. Like rabbit hole energy you're like. Ohh here's.
00:23:36 Regan Bashara
Going to be my hyperfixation for the next week.
00:23:39 Jemira Payne
Yeah, like I and it's the same like food. I get hyper fixed. I don't eat the same breakfast for three months. Six months like, yeah, just I get really interested in different.
00:23:43 Regan Bashara
Yeah, yeah.
00:23:50 Jemira Payne
Socio group like right now I'm really I'm not into Scientology but I'm into researching about Scientology. Just like and now I have all this information about Scientology that what am I gonna do with it? I don't know. But or like when the submersible imploded, I became a submersible expert in it. I was like, getting a physics degree.
00:24:03 Regan Bashara
Yeah, yeah, same.
00:24:10 Speaker 3
It was.
00:24:13 Regan Bashara
I have a physics degree and I was still learning things. OK, so husband works at a steel mill. They make steel tubes, so obviously they're testing tensile strength and compression and stretching and all this. So I'm like texting him and I'm like, did you know, blah, blah blah about tensile strength. And he's like, yeah, I know about that and.
00:24:15 Speaker 3
Ohh my gosh.
00:24:31 Regan Bashara
I was like.
00:24:32 Regan Bashara
Ohh, that's right, this is like your.
00:24:34 Regan Bashara
Job kind of.
00:24:35 Speaker 3
Yeah, but I learned too many cool things. These people died, although.
00:24:37 Jemira Payne
That's funny. That would even.
00:24:41 Jemira Payne
I know, and I mean if we're going to get.
00:24:42 Regan Bashara
Oh my God.
00:24:43 Jemira Payne
Real I don't know if tinfoil hat is the correct, maybe a little bit, but we're we're a couple of aquariums, we'll get. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I personally believe that life is 1 big circle. It's a big cycle. You know, life doesn't repeat itself, but it remixes itself and it is really interesting that like in 19.
00:24:49 Regan Bashara
Tinfoil headband.
00:25:03 Jemira Payne
Whatever. They had a virus. We had a virus in 19, eight. Whatever they had the Titanic. Now we have our own version of a Titanic. Like, I don't know. It's just really interesting how things kind of have themselves.
00:25:14 Jemira Payne
And and and I just remember when that happened, I'm like, oh, my God, that's our Titanic. Like, now I wonder in 100 years what their Titanic is gonna be, probably something really, you know.
00:25:22 Regan Bashara
Probably in space. Yeah. It's gonna be up there. Yeah, every. There's definitely, like, a template for how things play out. But also, I'm somebody that like really finds patterns where they're probably actually aren't patterns. And I'm like, dude, yeah. I'm like the guy with the registering on the wall.
00:25:42 Jemira Payne
From it's always sunny Charlie that I literally saw a slideshow on TikTok that was like how Aquarians explained things.
00:25:49 Jemira Payne
Early cause that's me. I just went on a whole yeah.
00:25:53 Jemira Payne
Constantly, like, you know, it sounds like a conspiracy theory, but.
00:25:59 Regan Bashara
So what is like a typical day in your business look like or what do you find yourself doing on like a regular basis?
00:26:10 Jemira Payne
Honestly, my my business is a lot.
00:26:12 Jemira Payne
Of research. I'm.
00:26:12 Regan Bashara
Staring at people's.
00:26:13 Jemira Payne
Charts staring at people's charts. That's a lot.
00:26:16 Jemira Payne
It's a lot of research and a lot of talking, which are two things I really do love to do. Our passions in life probably. I literally came out the womb talking like I've always been a talker. But yeah, I usually, yeah, I'll usually look at people's charts and I love it because not everyone has the same question. Yeah, it's about business.
00:26:36 Jemira Payne
But I just had a meeting this morning about someones dating life like a client I have. We normally talk about our business, but dating is coming up for her. And so let's talk about it and you know, the more you understand romantic relationships, it still transfers to your clients. You're not having the exact same, but the archetypes are still there. The patterns are still.
00:26:44 Regan Bashara
Hmm hmm.
00:26:53 Jemira Payne
Aware. So really, just like looking at people's charts and context of whatever questions they have. And then I do have a few clients where I work like more like deeper one-on-one or deeper in like their tech system. So for one client she really.
00:27:10 Jemira Payne
She wants to figure out she's trying to figure.
00:27:12 Jemira Payne
Out how?
00:27:12 Jemira Payne
To like, get her systems to work with how her brain wants to work. So we're like looking at her chart and what comes natural to her and like, OK, she uses click up. So how can we use click up automations to get it to match what you don't like click?
00:27:23
What's up?
00:27:25 Regan Bashara
Up. I hate click. I gotta struggled for so long with clicker.
00:27:31 Jemira Payne
What do you use?
00:27:32 Regan Bashara
I use it's for accountants. It's called jet jetpack workflow. So it's just a workflow app, but I tried to imitate it and click up and I was like, you know what, I'm just gonna pay for jetpack because I was like, crying over I.
00:27:46 Jemira Payne
Have heard that can be no click it.
00:27:46 Regan Bashara
Not be crying.
00:27:48 Jemira Payne
Can be a.
00:27:49 Jemira Payne
But that is again the thing I nerd out about is I love being.
00:27:53 Jemira Payne
Click up specifically, maybe because it reminds me of what I used to use when I worked corporate. I'm not sure, but yeah, so I'll do that. I'll go in there and, like, help her figure out the automations or things like that, but more so, I'm like.
00:28:07 Jemira Payne
Looking at people's marketing plans and like, OK, this is the marketing you have planned for this quarter, here's what's going on astrologically with you this quarter. I know I had made the harvest cycle for you if anyone is interested, there's a, there's an astrology book called the Book of Houses and It'll Tell you what your own personal Harvest cycle is. So like.
00:28:26 Jemira Payne
Your first house represents your your spring season well. It's like 3 months, spring season, blah blah. So for instance for instance.
00:28:34 Jemira Payne
Internally I am in my summer, but externally it's winter, so actually this is the most active time of year for me and it has historically been for me my whole life. But it's interesting cuz the rest of the world is quiet so it can be kind of why like versus spring cleaning. I never want to do spring cleaning actually it's spring cuz that's not my actual spring. So there's also an astrologer.
00:28:54 Jemira Payne
Leslie tagora. She has a.
00:28:56 Jemira Payne
A A course on like learning specifically, she has like a podcast that you can download. But anyway shout out to her. Also, Regina Curtis also has another one shout out to but and I don't even know what's going on so I'll look at their chart and their cycles and see like, OK, you have this planned, are you in a launching season? What's coming up for you? How does that match your chart?
00:29:18 Jemira Payne
You know.
00:29:18 Regan Bashara
Yeah, what I do, just a lot of a.
00:29:20 Jemira Payne
Lot of click clacking on my.
00:29:22 Jemira Payne
Computer looking at people.
00:29:23 Regan Bashara
Yeah. And it's not something that anybody can just like kind of plug in their birthdate and figure out for themselves, like having Someone Like You who is connecting all the dots and, yeah, struggle people struggle. So I think that's the reason that people don't sit down and workout systems in their business.
00:29:38 Regan Bashara
That help them because they just they're like, well, isn't it in my brain, it's this way. And I don't know how to make it look that way.
00:29:45 Speaker 3
On the on.
00:29:45 Regan Bashara
The computer and that can be a struggle.
00:29:47 Jemira Payne
Yeah. No, for real.
00:29:49 Jemira Payne
Yeah, it's hard to. Yeah, it's hard to see in your brain and not everyone is as obsessed with like I I just click up for like one of my goals for 2024 is to eat more tiramisu. I love tiramisu, so I made like a whole click of dashboard that, like, tracks the tire missus. I'm eating this year and things like that.
00:30:07 Jemira Payne
And not everyone nerds out about that stuff the same. So yeah, it is. I do think it is nice to, I mean, shameless plug. I do think it is nice to have someone help you figure out those systems who loves doing that stuff.
00:30:17 Regan Bashara
So yeah, like it's it's definitely important to connect the dots. What kind of we've talked about like what inspires you to be in this work or doing these things for people or can making these connections for folks? What tips would you give yourself maybe to 510 years ago like we kind of talked about when you were in your 20s?
00:30:39 Regan Bashara
People are kind of a different person.
00:30:41 Regan Bashara
Do you have any advice for past you that might be helpful for people now if they're thinking about starting an esoteric service based business?
00:30:51 Jemira Payne
I one thing for me at least coming from a corporate background is one piece of advice I give myself is like have fun and stop trying to be serious. One thing about me, especially learning my chart. So we had mentioned I think at the beginning like I have.
00:31:07 Jemira Payne
Sun, Moon, Saturn and Mercury all in Aquarius, but not only the Aquarius, they're in the 5th house, which the 5th house is about fun and joy and excitement. And one of my biggest critiques when I was in corporate was.
00:31:20 Jemira Payne
You're, you know, you're talkative and really bubbly. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I remember, like, wanting to be a manager or a supervisor, actually, at one of the places I was at, I interviewed, like, four times. I think before I actually got, I remember my first two interviews. That was one of the critiques was like, we just don't know if you're serious.
00:31:22 Regan Bashara
You're having too much fun.
00:31:40 Jemira Payne
Just enough to be a supervisor and so I really formed myself to try to be more serious, but then after learning my chart and most of my stuff is in a lot of my stuff is in the 5th house. Especially Moon sign is your motivation. It's your emotional security. So my emotional security is and being bubbly, being fun, being loud. So that's one thing I would.
00:32:00 Jemira Payne
Tell myself is to just in general.
00:32:02 Jemira Payne
Have more fun. So for anyone find where your moon sign is in your chart and follow that. That's your motivation and then to start a business. I would personally say ignore everyone online.
00:32:15 Jemira Payne
Because when I first started, especially because coming from a corporate background like all these other marketers who come from similar backgrounds as me have all these things on the Internet of like 10K in a day, 75,000 leads in a month, whatever the.
00:32:30 Jemira Payne
And I personally fell into that just because for one, I'm a marketing nerd.
00:32:34 Jemira Payne
So I wanted to see.
00:32:35 Jemira Payne
Their back end just to see how they set it up exactly because I wanted guidance. Cuz being an entrepreneur online is can be really lonely and especially trying to be like an entrepreneur in the esoteric space. It's already counterculture and especially if you come from a corporate.
00:32:35 Regan Bashara
Yeah, yeah.
00:32:52 Jemira Payne
Like there's a lot of layers and I personally was.
00:32:55 Jemira Payne
For like groups and community that I spent a lot of money on, like courses and memberships that weren't 100% aligned. And even when I joined, excuse me, I knew they weren't. I was just really hungry for like anything. So 2021, I was gobbling it up.
00:33:15 Jemira Payne
So that's one thing. Even what I see even with my clients, I really, really tell it like you need to experiment with what I say. Don't take what I say is like the truth. Like, you need to know it for yourself. So that's the thing. One one piece of advice I would give people is like, take what people show on the Internet with a grain of salt when it comes.
00:33:32 Jemira Payne
To business and marketing strategies because a lot of us are coming from corporate where we got it works differently for corporation.
00:33:39 Jemira Payne
Than it does.
00:33:39 Jemira Payne
Yeah, in individual. But trust yourself when you're when you're joining the group. That's what I was like. I definitely joined groups that I did not trust myself and then drama ensued, which makes for good stories sometimes, but.
00:33:52 Jemira Payne
In the moment it was not such a.
00:33:53 Jemira Payne
Fun story.
00:33:54 Regan Bashara
Yeah. And you strike me as the type of person that needs that kind of connection. I mean, when you first meet somebody, it's like, alright, give me your data so I can pull up your chart, cuz you're like I'm going.
00:34:05 Regan Bashara
To dive in immediately, like you kind of need that deep level of like understanding of somebody.
00:34:12 Regan Bashara
Also, just going after like people trying to find that community, like I definitely see that like why that wasn't serving you.
00:34:20 Regan Bashara
That's good advice.
00:34:20 Jemira Payne
Yes, it is really interesting. I never had like realized that about myself until I like found out. For instance, I was a projector in the human design system. Projectors are the type of people who.
00:34:33 Jemira Payne
Deeply want to get to know people because they see potential. We're here to guide other people's energy. We tend to be called bossy children and I was definitely a bossy child. That's I'm still.
00:34:42 Speaker 3
Bossy adults, are you? The oldest daughter too.
00:34:45 Jemira Payne
Oh my God, am I the oldest daughter? Yes.
00:34:46 Regan Bashara
Yeah, I just bought. OK, so the sweatshirt I bought was the eldest daughter Metallica style sweatshirt from Reductress.
00:34:53 Jemira Payne
That's funny.
00:34:54 Jemira Payne
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, definitely oldest daughter, oldest daughter vibes for sure.
00:35:00 Regan Bashara
Yeah, yeah, that's why we.
00:35:02 Jemira Payne
But so just like.
00:35:05 Jemira Payne
So just. Yeah, I know. It's just interesting after I learn like I'm actually designed to deeply understand and get to know people. I do recognize at times, like if I'm long enough in the grocery store line, I'll ask clerk what their son sign is.
00:35:21 Jemira Payne
I got something to talk about. It also helps me be like for instance in my 20s and even earlier, like I would open up immediately to anyone, like anyone who asked me a question, I would tell them my whole life.
00:35:34 Jemira Payne
You know, and that leads you that opens you up to a lot of interesting types of relationships.
00:35:39 Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah.
00:35:40 Jemira Payne
And so that's also helped too to be like, OK, you know, that is a part of me and that is a gift I have is like seeing deeply into people.
00:35:47 Jemira Payne
But not everyone is.
00:35:47 Regan Bashara
MMMM.
00:35:48 Jemira Payne
Like gifts, you don't gotta, you know, go deep down. It's better to not say anything. So I am someone who doesn't love small.
00:35:55 Jemira Payne
Talk. So like I don't care.
00:35:56 Regan Bashara
We're getting straight to the point.
00:35:58 Jemira Payne
Tell me your traumas, please. Let's cry. Right. I love crying so.
00:36:05 Speaker 3
Ohh God, I don't.
00:36:07 Jemira Payne
I cried this morning.
00:36:09 Speaker 3
That I love.
00:36:10 Regan Bashara
That for you, since that's what you love.
00:36:11 Jemira Payne
To do truly my water bottle, I don't have it in here, but I have a sticker that says.
00:36:15 Jemira Payne
Legalize crying on it, so yeah.
00:36:18 Speaker 3
It's amazing. All right, where I know you wanted to keep this under 30 minutes. Almost.
00:36:26 Jemira Payne
No, that's fine, that's fine.
00:36:29 Regan Bashara
What would you like to share with the audience about like where they can find you? How could if they're just like, so enthralled, like I just need to be in this woman's orbit? Like get me in there. Where?
00:36:38 Jemira Payne
Can they find you? Get me in there. You can find me on YouTube. I post mainly tarot readings as of late, but I am 2024.
00:36:48 Jemira Payne
It's my goal to mix some things up. I have some human design videos on there too, but I do want to get more into.
00:36:54 Jemira Payne
Putting up astrology videos, putting up human design videos, but also just putting up my own experience. I feel like a lot of people I I don't know. I I am designed to talk a lot about my own experience and so I think that can help, especially with my human design. If you are another self projected projector, there are not a ton of us, but if you're another one.
00:37:14 Jemira Payne
Plan to put videos up there, so talk about it cuz there aren't. There aren't a ton of.
00:37:19 Jemira Payne
If you're not into YouTube, you can also find me on LinkedIn. Same Jemira Payne, I'm Tamara Payne. Everywhere I post basically the same stuff, but more in a professional setting. I find LinkedIn kind of interesting. At first. I was really resistant to it when I worked in corporate cuz I was like, this is lame and I'm very much someone. If you tell me I have to do it.
00:37:38 Jemira Payne
I'm like, well, now I don't have to.
00:37:42 Regan Bashara
Not doing it.
00:37:43 Jemira Payne
Yeah, I've had like 10 people. Tell me you should watch a show on Netflix and I for some reason now don't want to at all, cuz like 10 people have told me I should watch it.
00:37:51 Regan Bashara
You're like, cancel Netflix.
00:37:54 Jemira Payne
I never heard of Netflix.
00:37:57 Jemira Payne
You know, like I know. I'll like it. That's why 10 people have told me to watch it.
00:37:59 Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah, but I finally.
00:38:02 Regan Bashara
That's that's the the self projected.
00:38:05 Speaker 3
Projector like you need to be told, yeah.
00:38:10 Jemira Payne
Yeah, I definitely need a voice. My voice, my opinion now, and I'll probably watch it like I remember I started playing Candy Crush like seven years after the Candy Crush craze went away. I remember someone making fun of me. They're like.
00:38:23 Jemira Payne
Since 2012.
00:38:25 Jemira Payne
But I mean, everyone was doing it then so.
00:38:28 Regan Bashara
You're on Farm Bill on Facebook.
00:38:31 Jemira Payne
Yeah. I just, yeah, I just started. That would be insane. I just started farm.
00:38:36 Regan Bashara
If they even have it anymore. Oh.
00:38:38 Speaker 3
My God.
00:38:39 Jemira Payne
Wow. But I find it or not Instagram. I find LinkedIn really interesting because as an Aquarius I am a natural innovator and I when I did work corporate, everyone in the office knew I was someone who was into tarot and like so I know there are other corporate people who are like this. I'm like, I want to start posting this stuff on there. So you have LinkedIn, you can follow me there.
00:38:58 Jemira Payne
Can watch the same videos that are on YouTube and then you can also find me at my website Jemirapayne.com to figure out to find out how to work with me and just.
00:39:07 Jemira Payne
More about me.
00:39:09 Regan Bashara
Amazing. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you so much for being on. I'm so glad.
00:39:09
Contact me.
00:39:13 Regan Bashara
We finally did this upset.
00:39:16 Regan Bashara
All right, y'all, make sure to go follow Jemira on her preferred platforms, which aren't the regular social media stuff, so don't even bother.
00:39:23 Jemira Payne
Yeah, very various different. Yeah, you should in LinkedIn.
00:39:30 Regan Bashara
I love it. Thanks so much. And I'll talk to you.
00:39:33 Regan Bashara
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00:39:34 Regan Bashara
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